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Esidara
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:04 pm
I think I'm missing something with how patient collapses work, as I have noticed that I am getting collapses from patients with no pulsing symptoms, and patients that have been fully treated - all symptoms are dark and show 'suppressed'.

I'm wondering if this is due to low skilled nurses, or not enough nurses, as these collapses are happening on wards.

I'm interested in both technical and anecdotal info - there's x number of checks on HDU patients in an hour, or 'I noticed that when I did x, I had fewer collapses' and so on.
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:41 pm
what is the value of "x" ? LOL. I've never adjusted the number of checks performed on HDU patients. Interesting.
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:27 pm
Hi, it sounds like a delayed collapse in the queue. It should not happen when symptoms are suppressed. Could be a bug. Would you please send us a save file?
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:30 am
MedJet wrote:what is the value of "x" ? LOL. I've never adjusted the number of checks performed on HDU patients. Interesting.
??? I was referring to people who know how many times patients are checked normally, which would let me check that my staffing levels are high enough. It's an example....
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Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:31 am
jirka.oxymoron wrote:Hi, it sounds like a delayed collapse in the queue. It should not happen when symptoms are suppressed. Could be a bug. Would you please send us a save file?

Happy to... if you're kind enough to remind me how to do that? Very Happy
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:10 pm
Sure :-), if you chose Reply to topic (instead of quick reply) a form to attach a file shows up below the text editor window.

Save file location:  
- Win: C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\LocalLow\Oxymoron Games\Project Hospital\maps
- Linux: /home/USERNAME/.config/unity3d/Oxymoron Games/Project Hospital/maps/
- Mac:  /Users/USERNAME/Library/Application Support/unity.Oxymoron Games.Project Hospital/maps
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:45 pm
I appreciate the help... but there's no appdata folder
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:37 pm
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AppData is a hidden folder - you can get to it by clicking on the folder pathway bar at the top, then manually adding \appdata to the pathway. Alternatively, at the very top of File Explorer is a menu bar for "view", and under there there's a tick box to allow you to view hidden items.
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:29 pm
Here's the save file. I'd also appreciate knowing why my trauma room people keep walking away from their patient. I thought it was because they were busy, but no, they'll walk away back to their work station and either sit there, ignoring their patient while they collapse, or walk back and forth ad nauseum, until collapse or they get sent upstairs.
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:39 pm
Screenshot of it happening
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Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:05 pm
jirka.oxymoron wrote:Hi, it sounds like a delayed collapse in the queue. It should not happen when symptoms are suppressed. Could be a bug. Would you please send us a save file?

thats whats mostly happens in my game.

out of nowhere treated patients collapse again and again and again and then die.
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Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:51 pm
look here pls. got new symptom "heart failure" out of nowhere. collapsed. died
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:20 am
Hi guys, appreciate the pictures. We examined the mechanism and learn that the collapse could be already in the queue only blocked by some unfinished action so not visible at the moment. Once the action is finished the collapse can manifest so the situation you are describing can happen. To alter the mechanism is on our to-do list so hopefully, brighter days are ahead :-).
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:11 pm
You guys do amazing work Very Happy Thanks for the input

Does this mean that the patient is reaching collapse point BEFORE the symptoms are suppressed, then the game reaches the collapse event and the collapse occurs AFTER all symptoms are suppress?
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Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:18 pm
Is it possible to rework the new traumatology department in collapsing? its way more often (and more annoying).
Or is it possible to give an option where i can adjust myself how often i want them to collapse?
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:20 pm
The rate at which they collapse can be set in .... tweakable file, I think
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Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:53 pm
Are some of the patients deliberately programmed to collapse? Because I've had some patients come in, sit down, then collapse immediately
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:24 pm
Esidara wrote:You guys do amazing work Very Happy Thanks for the input

Does this mean that the patient is reaching collapse point BEFORE the symptoms are suppressed, then the game reaches the collapse event and the collapse occurs AFTER all symptoms are suppress?

Yes, exactly like that. It should not happen too often but it is possible... for now ;-).
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:28 pm
That's unfortunate.

Still, you guys good work, so I'm confident it'll be fixed before long Smile
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:34 pm
prostefanx wrote:Is it possible to rework the new traumatology department in collapsing? its way more often (and more annoying).
Or is it possible to give an option where i can adjust myself how often i want them to collapse?

As Esidara mentioned, collapse possibility can be set in Tweakables.xml (C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Project Hospital\ProjectHospital_Data\StreamingAssets\Database)

Look for:
<GameDBTweakableInt ID="TWEAKABLE_COLLAPSE_TIME_PERCENT"> <Value>100</Value> </GameDBTweakableInt
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:47 pm
There's also

   <GameDBTweakableFloat ID="TWEAKABLE_COLLAPSE_REPEAT_MIN_HOURS"> <Value>3.0</Value>   </GameDBTweakableFloat>
   <GameDBTweakableFloat ID="TWEAKABLE_COLLAPSE_REPEAT_MAX_HOURS"> <Value>6.0</Value>   </GameDBTweakableFloat>

Tweaking those helps as well.

What does changing this:

<GameDBTweakableInt ID="TWEAKABLE_COLLAPSE_TIME_PERCENT"> <Value>100</Value> </GameDBTweakableInt>

Actually do?
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:59 pm
Esidara wrote:Are some of the patients deliberately programmed to collapse? Because I've had some patients come in, sit down, then collapse immediately

No, collapse should always occur due to critical symptoms. So the patient is spawned with critical symptom and probability of collapse grow higher with time since patients arrive. Sometimes collapse occurs sooner sometime later.
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:38 pm
Esidara wrote:There's also

   <GameDBTweakableFloat ID="TWEAKABLE_COLLAPSE_REPEAT_MIN_HOURS"> <Value>3.0</Value>   </GameDBTweakableFloat>
   <GameDBTweakableFloat ID="TWEAKABLE_COLLAPSE_REPEAT_MAX_HOURS"> <Value>6.0</Value>   </GameDBTweakableFloat>

Tweaking those helps as well.

What does changing this:

<GameDBTweakableInt ID="TWEAKABLE_COLLAPSE_TIME_PERCENT"> <Value>100</Value> </GameDBTweakableInt>

Actually do?

If I remember correctly, the higher value should be lowering the probability of collapse so even if there is a pulsing symptom the collapse should start later.
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:44 pm
It would be nice to get some guide what number of value changes what. Like also for income etc if a higher number is better or a lower
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Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:52 pm
Latest update - 11/11/2020 - cancels collapses after all symptoms suppressed. Yes Very Happy
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